Helps keep my throat lubricated when I am calling people all day long. Legal Disclaimer. ._2a172ppKObqWfRHr8eWBKV{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:8px}._39-woRduNuowN7G4JTW4I8{border-top:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-lineColor);margin-top:12px;padding-top:12px}._3AOoBdXa2QKVKqIEmG7Vkb{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);border-radius:4px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;margin-top:12px}.vzEDg-tM8ZDpEfJnbaJuU{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:14px;width:14px}.r51dfG6q3N-4exmkjHQg_{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between}._2ygXHcy_x6RG74BMk0UKkN{margin-left:8px}._2BnLYNBALzjH6p_ollJ-RF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-left:auto}._1-25VxiIsZFVU88qFh-T8p{padding:0}._3BmRwhm18nr4GmDhkoSgtb{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);-ms-flex:0 0 auto;flex:0 0 auto;line-height:16px} Any mormon tea drinkers on the board? Mormons will soon drink coffee! Research on caffeine is a modern phenomenon and obviously did not exist in 1833 when the Word of Wisdom was given to the Church. Of course “Mormons”, actually members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, can drink green tea. Yes, I know. A definition current in Joseph Smith’s day was “plants of which the leaves or stem and leaves, are used for food or medicine, or in some way for their scent or flavor.”, ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} However, the tea referred to is the conventional, habit-forming, caffeine-laden tea that is the staple of those addicted to it. It’s because of a chemical called tannic acid. But my point is it wasn't an "island" standing out against the current wisdom. I really WISH that the WoW was prophetic and helpful, but instead it is this kind of magic thinking that leads to the MLM's in utah selling noni-juice by the caseload to gullible members. Normal green tea itself may contain more caffeine than coffee, but the length of infusion with hot water, and the number of time you use the green tea leaves can greatly reduce your caffeine intake. ._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ{border:1px solid transparent;display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-body);border-radius:4px;box-sizing:border-box}._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:hover{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-primaryButtonTintedEighty)}._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ._2FebEA49ReODemDlwzYHSR,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:active,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:hover{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText)}._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ._2FebEA49ReODemDlwzYHSR,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:active{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-primaryButtonShadedEighty)}._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:disabled,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ[data-disabled],._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ[disabled]{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-primaryButtonTintedFifty);color:rgba(var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText),.5);fill:rgba(var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText),.5);cursor:not-allowed}._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:active,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:disabled,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ:hover,._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ[data-disabled],._1zyZUfB30L-DDI98CCLJlQ[disabled]{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-body)}._1O2i-ToERP3a0i4GSL0QwU,._1uBzAtenMgErKev3G7oXru{display:block;fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);height:22px;width:22px}._1O2i-ToERP3a0i4GSL0QwU._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_,._1uBzAtenMgErKev3G7oXru._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_{height:14px;width:14px}._2kBlhw4LJXNnk73IJcwWsT,._1kRJoT0CagEmHsFjl2VT4R{height:24px;padding:0;width:24px}._2kBlhw4LJXNnk73IJcwWsT._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_,._1kRJoT0CagEmHsFjl2VT4R._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_{height:14px;width:14px}._3VgTjAJVNNV7jzlnwY-OFY{font-size:14px;line-height:32px;padding:0 16px}._3VgTjAJVNNV7jzlnwY-OFY,._3VgTjAJVNNV7jzlnwY-OFY._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_{font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;text-transform:uppercase}._3VgTjAJVNNV7jzlnwY-OFY._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_{font-size:12px;line-height:24px;padding:4px 9px 2px;width:100%}._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs{font-size:14px;line-height:32px;padding:0 16px}._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs,._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_{font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;text-transform:uppercase}._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs._2ilDLNSvkCHD3Cs9duy9Q_{font-size:12px;line-height:24px;padding:4px 9px 2px;width:100%}._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs:hover ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA{display:none}._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA,._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs:hover ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:block}._2QmHYFeMADTpuXJtd36LQs ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:none}._2CLbCoThTVSANDpeJGlI6a{width:100%}._2CLbCoThTVSANDpeJGlI6a:hover ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA{display:none}._2CLbCoThTVSANDpeJGlI6a ._31L3r0EWsU0weoMZvEJcUA,._2CLbCoThTVSANDpeJGlI6a:hover ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:block}._2CLbCoThTVSANDpeJGlI6a ._11Zy7Yp4S1ZArNqhUQ0jZW{display:none} Many use the medical research to justify and some use medical to deny it. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} Among other instructions, it prohibits the use of alcohol, tobacco and hot drinks. "One key to understanding some of the positive recommendations in the Word of Wisdom may be found by looking at dietary practices in America during the early 1800s". Upon returning to the states, I continued drinking herbal tea regularly. Many drinks contain no significant levels of drugs and can be used as tasty warm drinks with some nutritive benefit. 10/19/2020 02:18 Subject: I want to be Mormon . Drinking tea is against the Word of Wisdom, the official doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This revelation is Section 89 in the Doctrine and Covenants, a book of scripture. To make drinking yerba mate easier, you can also steep the leaves using a tea ball or purchase yerba mate tea bags. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} The next paragraph: "Many use the medical research to justify and some use medical to deny it. So in that sense, no, Mormons can't drink green tea. WoW is a difficult subject among Asians on tea, Just as coffee is among Americans.". Ad by Investing Outlook Finance PhD explains stock market in two words. Cocoa and herbal tea are hot, but fine. It was a common topic, and originated with the tolerance society in New York. However, the tea referred to is the conventional, habit-forming, caffeine-laden tea that is the staple of those addicted to it. Drinking tea is against the Word of Wisdom, the official doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Mormons don't drink green or black tea (caffeinated teas). There is no prohibition on herbal teas in the Word of Wisdom or in church guidance. Through additional messages given by God, Mormons have learned that "hot drinks" refer to coffee and black tea. They also enjoy Italian … This article never pointed out the real reason why Mormons don’t drink coffee or tea. They are sometimes classified with terms such as: Teas like chamomile and peppermint fit into this category. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} Other hot drinks like hot chocolate are okay. It decreased Cancer, Alzheimer, Parkinson's, Diabetes type 2, stroke, liver cancer, prostate cancer, skin cancer and more. Herbal teas must be made of fruit or herbs. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.de628c13230c59091a5d.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} As for tea there are a few billion Asians overs thousands of years that disagree with Ole Joe and his claims about "Tea". That's why you start another paragraph. 71 votes, 105 comments. It's my understanding that green tea and black tea are from the same plant, just different stages/processing. I do drink herbal tea and chicory. She was very intrigued with some cola flavored seltzer I had because it was caffeine free. You need to read the labels as many tea companies use the tea plant in their herbals. They will do what they are told by their leader because they are afraid he might be right and God really does care about your beverage of choice. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 24.2m members in the todayilearned community. This is apologetic thinking at it's best. I was taught the same... however banning green tea and not herbal tea makes zero sense. So you see, we're using scientific research mingled with revelation from the get go. Many people assume Coca-Cola and other caffeinated drinks are forbidden under Mormon church doctrine. Not sure why, but I have seen the blessings of it. Grant was inspired to make it compulsory by complete abstention. The Word of Wisdom is the label Mormons use to refer to a revelation received by Joseph Smith on February 27, 1833. Green tea, unless it is decaffeinated, also contains caffeine. This is the conclusion put forth by LDS.About.com, which cites an April 1977 Ensign article entitled "The Do's in the Word of Wisdom" as evidence. The claim is Jesus turned water into grape juice. It was dictated in 1833 by Mormon founder Joseph Smith and bars consumption of wine, strong drinks (alcohol), tobacco and "hot drinks," which have been defined by church authorities as tea and coffee. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} I'm absolutely positive that is NOT the reason LDS do not drink tea. Rachel Bruner is a writer, energy healer and active member of the Church of Latter-Day Saints. And that phoney connection is the basis for the next several paragraphs. Generally the explanation/rationalization is that there is a distinction 'new wine' and 'old wine'. These dead people are not counted as Mormons and they are not on LDS membership lists. Yet mormons don't drink alcohol? People use it as a beverage and as a medicine. "So you see, we're using scientific research mingled with revelation from the get go. And I am a drinker of herbal teas as well as Mormon. As mentioned pamphlets by the Tolerance society existed and were passed around. /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Mormon themes. Often Latter-day Saints become focused on the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. Just think of what your stomach would look like after several years of drinking them! While Coffee and Tea are definitely prohibited there is a gray area in which each member gets to decide for themselves (caffeine is in this grey area having been discouraged but not forbidden). Iced tea and iced coffee are cold, but not fine. You can generally assume that if a tea is labeled as an herbal, caffeine-free tea then it does not come from the tea plant and should be acceptable. 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"But to clarifty, herbal tea is not against the word of wisdom, although we have been cautioned: "Some people enjoy herbal teas, but even these should not replace more nutritious drinks in the diet" (Lora Beth Larson, "The Do's in the Word of Wisdom," Ensign, Apr 1977, 46. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} Latter-day Saints are also taught not to drink “hot drinks,” meaning coffee or any tea other than herbal tea (see D&C 89:9), and not to use tobacco (see D&C 89:8). Some drinks are called teas, but true teas come from the Camellia sinensis plant. After Mitt Romney, a prominent member of the Mormon Church, attracted attention in 2012 for drinking Diet Coke, the church clarified that it has no rule against caffeine. The difference here is whether or not it's an actual tea. However, since Pepsi and Coke are not forbidden by the teachings of Joseph Smith, not having been invented then, many LDS regard them as acceptable- there is debate on this- the argument is based on the stipulation to "drink nothing that is injurious". I just want to know if there are any other Mormon tea enthusiasts here! .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Many members drink herbal tea (no actual tea leaves) so Yerba Mate would fall into that category. Mormons don’t drink “tea.” However, there are some that walk the line and LOVE greens, whites, and all manner of the herbal variety. As a missionary, I was instructed to teach that "tea" in the Word of Wisdom refers to black or green tea, and their derivatives. Also the assertion is also supported by PayLayAle's half hearted attempt to demonstrate his reasoning of medical benefits. Caffeine is widely acknowledged to be a stimulant and an addictive substance. Overview Information Mormon tea is made from a plant, Ephedra nevadensis. it makes my blood boil that you think only mormons can achieve celestial glory, green tea isn't make from normal tea leaves, but from other herbal sources! This is about as medically sound as putting leeches on for illness. She will drink hot, herbal tea but will not touch soda. Coffee and Tea were added later. Mormons are taught not to drink any kind of alcohol (see D&C 89:5–7). Despite the WoW not talking about fruits and vegetables. These include the following: These flavors and types of true teas sometimes come from how tea is processed and prepared. People of all faiths and perspectives are welcome to engage in civil, respectful discussion about topics related to Mormonism. I spend time once a week with a Mormon friend. Your root beer analogy is partially false. Just read into the Dutch and British East Indies companies and it's history in relation to slavery on coffee and tea plantations and it's involvement in the Opium trade in China/ Northern India regions. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/" The same dictionary cites an 1833 usage of “fruits” as “vegetable products in general which are fit to be used by men and animals.” We usually group fruits and vegetables together because their nutritive value is similar.". Herbal teas, by definition, do not come from the Camellia Sinensis tea plant. 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